a penguin of very little brain ([info]stephiepenguin) wrote,
@ 2008-07-21 18:20:00
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not for the sake of fighting
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"But that's the good thing about you," K said recently. "You can choose your Chinese side or your Australian side."

And I didn't say, "are you using 'Australian' to mean 'Anglo'?" I can't remember what I said, but I didn't say that, and things that I hate include but are not limited to: that I have become so complicit in this game of privilege and institutionalisation.

Since the debacle of last week (leading to the bannination of someone for being a dickhead and a racist apologist), I have been so fired up and angry, but also more aware than usual of my own privilege and the privilege of others. I am almost always aware of white privilege and, as someone who has been known to pass (as many things that I am not), sometimes it's painfully clear to me how I play that to my own advantage.

I tend not to talk about this stuff because I find it really difficult to articulate, for all that I like talking and I enjoy writing. But not talking means silence, and silence is often a tool of acceptance, and I can't let myself be like that anymore, that's not really who I am. And I'm not just talking about racism, either.

So if I get angry at you, I'm not sorry. I don't want to be complicit in playground equipment that you can't get to if you're on wheels, preventing parents in wheelchairs from reaching their kids. I don't want to just accept when people tell stories that start, this Asian girl or that Aboriginal boy, but begin a boy when they're talking about someone who is Anglo, singling out the difference and othering us through language. I don't want to sit silently by as people talk in stereotypes because they're funny, gay people are promiscuous and fat people are lazy and when you say these things somebody believes you, and when you say these things you draw a line between you and the people you're picking out, and we have different backgrounds and histories but we're people and it's terrible, regardless of your intentions.

My anger is real. And so is the bigotry and discrimination in this country, overt or not, and talking about it doesn't create it, talking about it makes the problem visible, and we do not have to give the benefit of the doubt that everyone is actually totally nice. It's easy to point at someone who thinks all Chinese are stealing the jobs or whatever and say, "that person is racist!" but it's harder to point to someone who is being nice, because it's often the nicest people who are so well meaning and don't notice that their own prejudices are totally messing us up.


A STORY:

Friday, on the bus:

*man visually of African descent stands and gives his seat to a middle-aged lady*

Anglo lady next to me: Oh, isn't that lovely. (in an approving tone)
Anglo lady opposite her: Well, he's not Australian.
Anglo lady next to me: Give him twelve months.

This is a well-meaning conversation: isn't he lovely? He's giving up his seat!
But it IS STILL RACIST, this assumption that different ethnicity = different nationality, and it does us all a disservice, and it still makes me angry. And I bet they thought they were being nice, too. And how did that guy feel, hearing that? All he did was stand up whilst black, and to those women that means he's not Australian.


Further reading:




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[info]baby_elvis
2008-07-21 11:34 am UTC (link)
It was always 'fun' when their was one student with a non-Anglo background in the class, and the little darlings would parrot some racist cliche and then turn to said student and say 'Except for you, X.'
Yes, I would haul them over the coals for it, and even gave detentions for repeated offences, but it was very hard to break their behaviour when they were repeating what they heard at home.
I always found that students had a lot of trouble interrogating their own race/ethnicity, class, gender positions if they were anglo-Australian. They could not see how their identity was constituted in that way, let alone the privilege attained.
I am sure, as well, that I don't fully understand how I am privileged and how that plays into my everyday life.
I am saddened to hear you had to deal with an aplogist last week. It must have been very distressing.

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-07-22 11:21 pm UTC (link)
Oh, was this at that school where I went? Because I would not be surprised.

I think 'except for you' or 'no offence meant' is one of those ridiculous terms that people think get them out of saying crap, and society tells us that it's an apology so it's okay, and just argh.

The apologist thing was quite distressing. I am trying not to think about the fact that it will probably happen again in my life, and has happened before, and it still takes me by surprise.

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[info]lauredhel
2008-07-21 11:51 am UTC (link)
I {heart} you.

And how did that guy feel, hearing that? All he did was stand up whilst black, and to those women that means he's not Australian.


Maybe _that_ should have been on Howard's "values" test for Australian citizens.

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-07-22 11:18 pm UTC (link)
:o)

Oh, the values test.

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[info]lilysea
2008-07-21 01:13 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for the resources. (:

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-07-22 11:31 pm UTC (link)
Welcome. :o)

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[info]grahame
2008-07-21 01:28 pm UTC (link)
Your first link is good. In the past when I've read feminist or anti-discrimination oriented blogs, I must admit I've always wondered why the hell these people are so obsessed with a single topic. I guess that's it right there, I've not been discriminated against (at least not on the grounds of race or gender) and as a result of course it's hard to get why people are so angry.

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-07-23 01:55 pm UTC (link)
Well, I do think that you're capable of "getting" why people get so angry, even if you've not been discriminated against. It can be difficult to understand, coming from a place of no experience in that matter, but you still have the capability to understand it.

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Cognitive comment
[info]al.id.au
2008-07-21 01:29 pm UTC (link)
Our modes of speech tend to influence our thought patterns, as well as the other way around.

By way of example, a good friend of mine clued me into the fact that I was using the word "girl" when what I meant was "woman". I now make sure I use the latter term where appropriate, even if the social mores dictate otherwise.

I agree to educating people about their inappropriate (racist/classist/etc.) ways of describing things so that they can change and no longer be complicit.

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Re: Cognitive comment
[info]stephiepenguin
2008-07-23 01:56 pm UTC (link)
Modes of speech are incredibly influential on thought patterns, which is why I think it's interesting that people often claim that they're "just" words.

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Re: Cognitive comment - [info]skywardprodigal, 2008-08-10 03:12 am UTC

[info]sajee
2008-07-21 01:45 pm UTC (link)
You are made of awesome.

I love you a lot.

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-07-23 01:57 pm UTC (link)
<333

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[info]strangedave
2008-07-21 01:46 pm UTC (link)
Seeing a bit more of how Aboriginal Australians get treated, you see an awful lot of people who think they are being nice, but with an implicit racism to it.

Mind you, it also puts a lot of the racism arguments into perspective. Savagely lowered life expectancy is more of an issue than words.

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-07-23 01:59 pm UTC (link)
I am not going to deny that lowered life expectancy is more of an issue than words. However words are so influential over thought patterns that they are still a very important consideration when it comes to all sorts of things (including medical treatment and other things associated with life expectancy).

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(no subject) - [info]strangedave, 2008-07-24 04:24 am UTC

[info]jayabear
2008-07-21 01:48 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for the linkage.

*hugs* Also, bikkie pictures are now up. Let me know if you need more and I'll take them before Dad eats them all.

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(no subject) - [info]stephiepenguin, 2008-07-23 01:59 pm UTC

[info]mynxii
2008-07-21 02:09 pm UTC (link)
You are awesome, I'm saving these to read later when I have a brain, but I do agree with you that we all have some element of privilege to deal with, and at which point information, owning it and being willing to work on it is a good start... then lead by example.

You are awesome.

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(no subject) - [info]stephiepenguin, 2008-07-23 02:05 pm UTC
three things
[info]Zanchey [typekey.com]
2008-07-21 02:18 pm UTC (link)
I once read a column in the Australian that was remarkably well-articulated on feminist perspective - I think it was criticising a policy move or something - and it was written by The Hon. Bill Heffernan, which surprised me.

One of the many disturbing things about my (future) job is it requires putting people in boxes because of what they are, not who, with disturbing regularity. It makes good clinical sense to test anyone who admits to homosexual sex (and, equally, IV drug use) for more diseases than usual. As soon as an Aboriginal patient walks in I have to start thinking about a bunch of problems that are never seen in the rest of the community. I suspect somatisation disorder in people of Asian heritage. I'm not really sure if this is racism, but it certainly smells like it.

I might blog about the last time I stood around and listened to blatant racism and didn't even open my mouth, although I'm not proud of it.

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Re: three things - [info]splintax, 2008-07-22 07:32 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]stephiepenguin, 2008-07-22 11:02 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]splintax, 2008-07-22 03:16 pm UTC
Re: three things - [info]splintax, 2008-07-22 03:27 pm UTC
Re: three things - [info]nixwilliams, 2008-07-22 10:32 pm UTC
Re: three things - [info]splintax, 2008-07-23 05:02 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]nixwilliams, 2008-07-23 07:59 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]sajee, 2008-07-22 09:32 pm UTC
Re: three things - [info]themink17, 2008-07-23 02:30 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]splintax, 2008-07-23 05:27 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]slantwisehumour, 2008-07-26 03:01 pm UTC
Re: three things - [info]splintax, 2008-07-23 05:20 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]sajee, 2008-07-23 11:00 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]slantwisehumour, 2008-07-26 03:03 pm UTC
do i sound like a broken record? - [info]nixwilliams, 2008-07-22 09:53 pm UTC
Re: do i sound like a broken record? - [info]sajee, 2008-07-22 11:36 pm UTC
Re: do i sound like a broken record? - [info]splintax, 2008-07-23 05:31 am UTC
Re: do i sound like a broken record? - [info]nixwilliams, 2008-07-23 07:40 am UTC
Re: 99% of the time - [info]gyges_ring, 2008-07-23 01:31 am UTC
Re: 99% of the time - [info]splintax, 2008-07-23 05:31 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gyges_ring, 2008-07-23 06:36 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]strangedave, 2008-07-24 05:13 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]strangedave, 2008-07-24 04:44 am UTC
:P - [info]gyges_ring, 2008-07-22 12:02 pm UTC
Re: :P - [info]splintax, 2008-07-22 03:25 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gyges_ring, 2008-07-23 01:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]splintax, 2008-07-23 04:50 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]gyges_ring, 2008-07-23 07:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]slantwisehumour, 2008-07-26 03:11 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gyges_ring, 2008-07-27 08:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]slantwisehumour, 2008-07-27 01:56 pm UTC
Re: three things - [info]davyd, 2008-07-23 06:25 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]lauredhel, 2008-07-23 07:16 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]davyd, 2008-07-23 07:39 am UTC
Re: three things - [info]slantwisehumour, 2008-07-26 02:46 pm UTC

[info]stephbg
2008-07-21 03:02 pm UTC (link)
I remember as a child being disappointed because everyone else got to be ethnic and/or have a culture, and I didn't have one. I couldn't see the sea in which I swam.

The classification thing is tricky, for I have to do it every day. I profile: I make broad demographic assumptions about a group's level of education in general and training/knowledge in particular, their likely engagement with their jobs, their attitude to risk etc. Sometimes these general classifications follow cultural lines (could be about food, certain attitudes to risk, national identity, customs about personal property). Might be physical too: a sun safety campain amongst a dark-skinned population would, I imagine, be different to one in a very fair-skinned population. I don't perceive any of this as a problem.

When it comes down to individuals, it's likely that I start with these generalisations or stereotypes (it's how the human brain copes with infinite variety), but I *believe* that I reserve judgement (of the non-judgemental kind) until I've some further information on which to assess the individual.

So am I racist by your measure? I promise to not be upset if you think I am, because it's something I struggle with occasionally. I'm groupist and culturalist and demographicist, but am I racist?

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[info]nixwilliams
2008-07-21 10:54 pm UTC (link)
thanks for the extra links!

i think privilege (white, heterosexual, 'cis' gender/sexual, etc.) is a really productive way of looking at these things, because it doesn't involve labelling someone as being (essentially) a racist or a homophobe or transphobe. and at the same time it doesn't merely involve telling people not to use certain words because the words in themselves are racist/homophobic/transphobic, and if you stop using them then you are no longer racist/homophobic/transphobic. to me, acknowledging one's privilege means being in a constant state of re-negotiation, being open to what people are saying, of not necessarily having hard and fast rules of one's own, but having to listen and listen and act on what's heard. it means acknowledging that you're wrong, and understanding why you're wrong, and understanding that it's not the end of the world to be wrong, but it's your own responsibility to become less wrong!

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(no subject) - [info]splintax, 2008-07-22 03:29 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nixwilliams, 2008-07-22 09:33 pm UTC

[info]alias_sqbr
2008-07-22 02:07 am UTC (link)
I'm still working my way through those links (my brain protesting that it's on holidays all the while :)) but thankyou for posting them.

*reads through your recent posts to see what you're talking about. Ow*

I've only recently started really questioning the "nice" racism my mother inculcated me in: she's VERY anti-racist in intent, and I think does a lot of good by speaking up when noone else will (sticking up for muslims at her church for example), but her "inclusive multiculturalism" often does cross the line into stereotyping and racism.

I've gotten a lot better at accepting the fact that I'm privileged and not getting as defensive when accused of racism (directly or indirectly) but (and this should suprise noone who's met me :)) something I'm still getting the hang of is shutting up in POC spaces even when what I'm saying isn't necessarily racist, but just a bit off-topic or clueless or whatever. Acting like my POV is super important is itself an artifact of privilege and racism.

EDIT: ARGH to the guy above. Just...argh. Do you get many of these drive-by Planet UCCers? Because I don't. Hmm.

Edited at 2008-07-23 01:52 pm UTC

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(no subject) - [info]splintax, 2008-07-25 06:28 am UTC
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[info]themink17
2008-07-22 03:37 am UTC (link)
You know what I hate (Because it's all about me - see first article)... When you are reading an article like this and going, yes, this is true, but doesn't really address me, I don't do that... teh I realise that it is aimed exactly at me and I DO do that. I hate that. Especially if it is something I find particularly offensive in others. Bugger. It gets worse. It's behaviour of mine that is well ingained, so it's going to be really annoying rooting it out.

Apropos Nothing in particular (subtle). I wish there was a word that was applied to adult women that conveyed the same respect that "man" does. I feel that the equivalence should be Woman/Man and Lady/Gentleman however the usage does not support this, gentleman has become more formal than Lady. In usage, it appears that Lady is equivalent to Man. I'm tempted to just switch to Woman. Hmm I wonder how many people I am going to offend when I correct myself ... "There is a Lady to se... I mean Woman to see you"... "What do you mean I'm not a Lady?" - Hopefully I will train myself quickly. I know that in the list of my offenses, it is probably a small one, but it is particularly egregious to me at the moment (not sure just why)

I get frustrated when I do step up and confront the implicit (or even explicit) priviledge/prejudice and people dont understand what you are trying to say. After the Nth time, I just want to let it slide. My current pet hate is the change in meaning of the use of the word "gay" - it is now used as a synonymn for pathetic. This is something that really gets under my skin. To such an extent that when it pops up in my internetting (normally in an MMO context) - I have got into the habit of raising the issue then about 3 minutes later logging off because of the reaction my comment has. It gets worse because it feels like it is becoming more and more pervasive. Maybe because it does irk me so much, I'm noticing it more. How much it would annoy someone who actually identified as gay, I can be sympathetic to, but not empathise with (careful word choice based on reading the first article - not sure I agree - I believe you can empathise with things that you have not experienced - but I need to think about it some more before I actively disagree)

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Jesus take the wheel,
[info]delux_vivens
2008-07-22 04:36 am UTC (link)
""But that's the good thing about you," K said recently. "You can choose your Chinese side or your Australian side.""

because I cant shoot and drive to Australia at the same time.

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Re: Jesus take the wheel, - [info]stephiepenguin, 2008-07-22 03:22 pm UTC
Re: Jesus take the wheel, - [info]slantwisehumour, 2008-07-26 03:34 pm UTC
Re: Jesus take the wheel, - [info]stephiepenguin, 2008-07-27 12:05 am UTC
Linking to your post
[info]fuckpoliteness.wordpress.com
2008-07-25 09:25 am UTC (link)
Hi Stephanie,

Fuckpoliteness, from comments section at Hoydens...just wondering if it's cool with you if I link to your post from my blog? I'd like to send ppl to read it, and the links you attached.

Just wanted to ask rather than assume that was cool

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Re: Linking to your post - [info]stephiepenguin, 2008-07-25 10:07 am UTC
Re: Linking to your post - (Anonymous), 2008-07-25 11:13 am UTC

[info]slantwisehumour
2008-07-26 03:36 pm UTC (link)
hullo stephanie, i hope you don't mind me commenting on your post - i was directed here by dadams because i posted something about using race in medicine.

i thought this was a great and pertinent post, particularly after the experience i had last night. so i kinda just had lots to say!

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[info]skywardprodigal
2008-08-10 03:10 am UTC (link)
*HUGS*

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