a penguin of very little brain ([info]stephiepenguin) wrote,
@ 2008-06-12 19:44:00
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indiana jones and the temple of doom
How did he get his shirt back? Davyd asked. That's a very good question, I replied. Other good questions: why is this movie so racist? Why is that woman so annoying? How did they manage to get so many bad actors in just one film? Why can't George Lucas write women?

This movie is so awful.


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[info]nixwilliams
2008-06-12 11:59 am UTC (link)
oh god. the random native savages? with no actual story attached? i just . . . they can't really be serious, can they?

although i quite enjoyed bits of the films - motorbike in the library!

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-06-16 01:42 pm UTC (link)
I can see where the movies are fun, but overall they're pretty much crazy!

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[info]nixwilliams
2008-06-16 10:19 pm UTC (link)
have you seen indy4? IT'S MORE OF THE SAME.

fun, if you can manage to completely turn off all critical thought. or, you know, watch the film with a bunch of other people who are willing to heckle the screen in the middle of the cinema and LOL at the stupid bits.

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[info]alias_sqbr
2008-06-12 12:18 pm UTC (link)
Heh, I and Cam were just discussing the movies (and why I don't feel like watching the latest one) this is apparently a true conversation from Cam's childhood:

Cam: Dad, do indians really eat monkey brains?
Cam's dad (who is indian): Yes, all the time!

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-06-16 01:43 pm UTC (link)
I bet Cam's dad thinks he's hysterical.

My mum has eaten monkey brains before, actually.

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[info]alias_sqbr
2008-06-21 12:56 am UTC (link)
Yes, I think he does :)

I guess that's the other side of the "Foreigners eat icky things" stereotype: even if they do, ickyness is hardly an objective measure (and apparently brains were a popular dish in australia when my dad was a kid)

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[info]cakeface
2008-06-12 12:28 pm UTC (link)
I was noting that as I watched it the other day. It is just sort of unspeakably bad, although I did appreciate that Indy's shirt got torn off a lot and he had nice arms.

Unfortunately that was pretty much the only redeeming feature of what was otherwise just a wretched, wretched film.

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[info]glvalentine
2008-06-12 01:18 pm UTC (link)
That movie is straight-up DISGUSTING. In every way.

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[info]lilysea
2008-06-12 09:36 pm UTC (link)
why is this movie so racist?

Thank you. (:

Yes, the scene where they're walking through the waterfall / down the steps and random people with more melanin start attacking them for no apparent reason and the expedition doesn't try to negotiate with them, it just kills them? The way that the attacking peoples are portrayed as savages, irrational, almost as not-human?

I was thinking, "Surely, you're not serious? Oh wait, you are serious? Because apparently you're made this film in the 1970s, not in 2008.
And apparently the furore over that scene with the cannibals in Pirates of the Carribean taught you nothing."

Why can't George Lucas write women?

And why is Marion Ravenwood not treated as an equal to Indiana?

And why are so many of their embraces filmed with her below, clinging to him, him above. When they are embracing, he gets the low camera angle (making him seem important, powerful), she gets the high camera angle (makes the subject seem helpless).

The message to women seems to be:

"You can try to be equal to men, like Col. Dr. Irina Spalko, fail, and come to a bad end; or you can realised your true place as less-than-the-man-you -love, like Marion Ravenwood, and live happily ever after."

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-06-16 01:48 pm UTC (link)
The funny thing is, I can't tell if you've mistaken which movie I am talking about, or are talking about Temple of Doom! EITHER WAY, three films in and I am completely unimpressed with this movie series and not only George Lucas' skanky women issues, but the fact that these sorts of movies just keep being made. I know we're supposed to view them as light hearted adventure stories, but when there are HEATHEN BLACK PEOPLE and when the women are shrieking harpies, there are some fucking serious issues there.

You know.

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[info]lilysea
2008-06-16 02:04 pm UTC (link)
Oh, oops! Sorry!

I thought you were talking about Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. That's the film I was talking about.

...and yeah, it kind of says a lot that one can have the same complaints about two different films in the series!

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[info]dortamur
2008-06-16 03:12 am UTC (link)
You *have* seen the first 3 movies, haven't you? They're not exactly masterpieces of continuity, plausibility, and political correctness...

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[info]stephiepenguin
2008-06-16 01:40 pm UTC (link)
As indicated by the subject line, I was watching the second movie at the time. And prior to this watching (I just finished the third movie yesterday), I had not seen any of these movies. Now that I've watched these three, I'm probably not going to bother with the fourth, particularly given the quite negative reviews friends etc have given it.

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[info]dortamur
2008-06-16 02:51 pm UTC (link)
Hahaha! You're of course right. My bad! It's been one of those weeks...

And yet, a lot of your criticisms rung true as if they were from the 4th movie - but not quite as bad as you made out, since you weren't actually talking about the 4th movie.

I should've known, since your post contained no mention of Fridges, and it seems Indy 4 Rants are impossible without Fridge references...

For the record, I liked the 4th - and I do think a lot of people who trashed it completely should rewatch the first 3 without their inner child echoes biasing them.

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[info]dortamur
2008-06-16 02:53 pm UTC (link)
And looks like I wasn't the only one who misread, so I suspect my response was in part a follow-on to theirs. ^_^;;

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